tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post7969695679687391174..comments2024-03-12T18:37:16.548-04:00Comments on The Easiest Person to Fool: Responding to Collapse, Part 4: getting out of the cityIrv Millshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-37714024178172223612018-11-29T20:26:21.925-05:002018-11-29T20:26:21.925-05:00@ Joe Clarkson
Very well said, Joe. Other than tho...@ Joe Clarkson<br />Very well said, Joe. Other than those few (about a dozen) flasks from Douglas Pt. GS I don't think anything is being done here in Canada to get spent fuel out of the cooling pool, either. Even those flasks are sitting only a few hundred yards from Lake Huron.<br /><br />My only hope is that in the slow collapse I am predicting there will be a period where it becomes clear that collapse is happening and we need to prepare, and when things are still sufficiently together that fuel that is sufficiently cooled off could be put into casks. It needn't be that hi-tech an effort. A final act by the workers at the nuclear stations to make their legacy more positive.<br /><br />Bluntly put the nuclear regulators, in the US, Canada, and the rest of the world, need to get their heads out of their butts and act on this while there is still time. And the anti-nukes need to do the same thing, head and butt wise, and get behind a project which would make the long term outlook a lot safer.<br /><br />Waiting until collapse takes both regulators and anti-nukes out of the picture is cutting it pretty fine. Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-83601492584554497462018-11-26T16:28:32.261-05:002018-11-26T16:28:32.261-05:00Irv,
Once the fuel had cooled down sufficiently, ...Irv,<br /><br /><i>Once the fuel had cooled down sufficiently, it was placed in a set of concrete silos sitting on a concrete pad just outside the building. It has remained there with no problems for about 30 years now. I suspect something similar could be done with the rest of the fuel on site.</i><br /><br />The infuriating thing about this subject in the US is that the NRC is allowing plant operators to keep huge amounts of spent fuel in the cooling pools even after they are long cool enough to be put in dry cask storage. The plants don't want to spent the extra money to put them in the casks even though they would have to be put in them for transport to underground repositories (were there any such repositories).<br /><br />The dry casks are far safer than the pools, which almost always have enough hot fuel bundles to require active water circulation for cooling. The dry casks might fall apart after a number of decades or centuries, but in that case they would leave a pile of relatively low-level waste which wouldn't ever be lofted into the air to spread long distances. It would be nice to store the casks away from rivers and lakes so any residue wouldn't wash into them, but that might be asking too much of people who assume that civilization will go on forever.<br /><br />If the plant operators could be forced to at least transfer the spent fuel from the pools to the casks at the earliest opportunity, the remaining spent fuel would be a much easier thing to deal with in a collapse situation.<br /><br />Weapons proliferation, fuel waste storage and high costs have always been the stumbling block for widespread use of nuclear energy. Unfortunately, I see no sign that any of them will be addressed soon, but just dealing with the spent fuel in cooling pools would be a big step forward.<br /><br />Joe Clarksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-43157006281939220782018-11-25T23:50:39.293-05:002018-11-25T23:50:39.293-05:00@ Joe Clarkson
Thanks for filling me in. I've ...@ Joe Clarkson<br />Thanks for filling me in. I've change that reference to you in the text of this post to your full name. Blogger can be a little strange at times.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-34475501605152933402018-11-25T22:01:49.371-05:002018-11-25T22:01:49.371-05:00@ Irv
By the way, the 'Joe' you referred ...@ Irv<br /><br />By the way, the 'Joe' you referred to is me, Joe Clarkson. I usually use my full name in commenting. I don't know why Blogger has me as Joe, but I think I can change to my full name if you prefer.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01251330546889158364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-65279178179715260632018-11-25T17:55:55.732-05:002018-11-25T17:55:55.732-05:00@Category5
Done! And thanks. Now why didn't I ...@Category5<br />Done! And thanks. Now why didn't I think of that? Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing from you.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-51970099969075352192018-11-25T17:47:04.987-05:002018-11-25T17:47:04.987-05:00Thanks Irv. Got it. Go back and erase itThanks Irv. Got it. Go back and erase itCategory5https://www.blogger.com/profile/11271017279434127118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-83680241281901910192018-11-25T17:20:14.671-05:002018-11-25T17:20:14.671-05:00@ Anonymus
Thanks for the kind words and good sugg...@ Anonymus<br />Thanks for the kind words and good suggestions for taking part in rural communities. Push the wrong kind of politics or have any sort of superior attitude, and your sunk before you even get started.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-70587764802524569082018-11-25T17:17:19.681-05:002018-11-25T17:17:19.681-05:00@Joe
Thanks for the kind words, Joe. We seem to th...@Joe<br />Thanks for the kind words, Joe. We seem to think a lot alike--your comment reads a lot like the outline I've been working on for my next post.<br />I have several friends among the local farmers who are very much aware of Peak Oil and collapse. They are clearly exceptions to the rule, though. I have found farmers friendly to town people who want to garden, and if they have a corner of a field that is awkwardly placed to work, you might find them willing to rent it to you quite reasonably, and run the plow through it one last time to save you some digging.<br />I am the co-ordinator for our local Community Garden and we've had very strong support from the local Agricultural Society.<br />You have to get to know people though, be willing to buy the products they are trying to sell, be generous with your money, and offer lend a hand in areas where you have appropriate skills. Only then can you ask for help.<br />And, yes, if you are coming from an office job in the city, developing some practical skill and learning to work with your hands should be a very high priority. I was fortunate to grow up on a farm and then become a tradesman (electrician) with a fair knowledge of other trades as well.<br />Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-50592930661125856322018-11-25T16:57:52.683-05:002018-11-25T16:57:52.683-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-85056418008311631862018-11-25T16:51:38.063-05:002018-11-25T16:51:38.063-05:00@ Gail M.
I agree, very few people are ready to he...@ Gail M.<br />I agree, very few people are ready to hear about collapse. Best get to know people and make friends without worrying about telling them about collapse. The day will come when events will make them more willing to listen, and if you are known as a good and sensible person you will have more influence than if you were that "crackpot who's always talking about the end of the world". <br />Plan and prepare quietly. Collapse now and avoid the rush, indeed!<br />But it is nice to have a few places online where you can meet with like minded people and talk about what's coming.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-40577549185179098242018-11-25T16:42:40.578-05:002018-11-25T16:42:40.578-05:00@ nikoB
It may surprise you to hear that I live ab...@ nikoB<br />It may surprise you to hear that I live about 10 miles from the Bruce Nuclear Power Development, one of the largest nuclear plants in the world--4 units rated at 750 megawatts each and 4 units rated at 850 megawatts each. From 1977 to 2005 I worked there. Not in the nuke plants themselves, but in the switchyards, since my employer was the provincial grid company, Hydro One.<br /><br />To me the biggest concern is the ignorance of some members of the public and the fear with which they view nuclear power. Plans to build an underground repository for low and mid level waste have met a good deal of opposition based on that fear and ignorance. Long terms plans to build underground storage for spent fuel haven't gotten to the stage of public hearings, but when they do I expect there will be a huge outcry.<br /><br />In my opinion it is absolutely critical that we set up safe storage for all levels of waste, but especially the spent fuel, and well before economic collapse renders this extreme difficult to do. It also looks to me like it's not going to happen. The local anti-nukes don't want such storage in their back yards. Nobody elsewhere is keen to have it stored in their back yards, and the people between there and here don't want it shipped down roads that go past their back yards. All these folks are pretty upset and not listening to reason.<br /><br />So, it's pretty clear that shipping spent fuel down the road is not going to fly and underground storage is unlikely to get approval. What other choices are there?<br /><br />Well, the first reactor at Bruce was the 220 megawatt one a Douglas Point Generating Station. It was shut down in the mid 1980s. Once the fuel had cooled down sufficiently, in was placed in a set of concrete silos sitting on a concrete pad just outside the building. It has remained there with no problems for about 30 years now. I suspect something similar could be done with the rest of the fuel on site.<br /><br />The critical period is when it needs to sit in the spent fuel bays to cool off, both thermally and radioactively, and during that time the water in those bays (like big swimming pools) needs to be cooled. But this is only a few years and as time passes, less cooling is needed. Then the fuel can be moved to some for of shielded concrete building where it will stay safe for quite a long time. Yes, it would be best not to use reinforced concrete, which breaks down relatively quickly.<br /><br />A sudden and hard collapse might bring an unfortunate halt to plans such as this. But in the slow and uneven collapse that I am expecting there will be time to implement this sort of jerry rigged solutions, and the need for them will become clear before it is too late. We should always remember that the people working at nuclear plants are well aware of all this and will be eager to implement solutions when the need arises. After all, they live nearby.<br /><br />Of course it would be good to start as soon as possible, and realizing that this is necessary is going to be the hardest obstacle to overcome. It would really help if people had a more realistic understanding of radiation and the dangers associated with radiation. Especially that exposure to low doses of radiation is not nearly as dangerous as many believe. I would recommend "We Want To Know: A conversation about radiation and its effects in the aftermath of Japan’s worst nuclear accident", an excellent little book that unfortunately is only available in Kindle format. Really worth reading though, and for those who don't have a Kindle, free software is available to allow you to read Kindle books on your PC or phone.<br /><br />I do have to question what you said about a fire in a spent fuel bay releasing "10000's more radiation than Chernobyl". My guess is that it would be somewhat less than what was released at Chernobyl. Here's a link to a good article on the consequences of radiation from Chernobyl: <a href="https://www.oecd-nea.org/rp/chernobyl/c05.html" rel="nofollow">Chapter V Health impact - Chernobyl</a><br />Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-64150471516342616592018-11-25T10:48:34.779-05:002018-11-25T10:48:34.779-05:00Anonymous,
Yes, integrating into the social struc...Anonymous,<br /><br />Yes, integrating into the social structure of a rural area can be hard, but even with that 'problem', I have always preferred the familiarity of the people in a small community to the anonymity of a big city. People who grow up in the country may feel the reverse, since they can become bored with that familiarity. After living in cities until then, I once lived for two years in an atoll village that had 200 people. I found them to be plenty of company. People in another village 8 miles away remained nearly total strangers. <br /><br />The necessity for social integration will be far less for those who own their own land and produce their own food, but in many ways integration will be even easier for them, since everyone respects the capabilities of a successful subsistence farmer. It is those who live in a town who will need make the biggest effort, since when hard times come they will be more and more dependent on surrounding farmers for work. <br /><br />When work is parceled out, everyone will hire their relatives and their close friends first. Newcomers will be the last to be offered a job. That's just the way it is. A farmer who is desperate for workers might still be reluctant to accept someone they know very little, since that unknown person might very well be more trouble than they are worth. People who have proven that they are an honest and hard working asset to the community will move to the head of the line (after friends and relatives). If you can't be a farmer yourself, make friends with farmers; you will need them to survive. Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01251330546889158364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-716314928332806692018-11-25T08:23:54.114-05:002018-11-25T08:23:54.114-05:00Irv,
Another great post. Thanks,
Joe, I agree with...Irv,<br />Another great post. Thanks,<br />Joe, I agree with you fully on moving to a rural area and attempting to integrate into that area. However, many rural areas are quite insular and difficult to "break into". In my area the area was "settled" about 150 years ago by 4 families and I guess that about 50% of the 1200 people that live in the surrounding area are descendants of those families. I found that hiring locals to do work (grading, back hoe, heavy construction) helps you get known. I also joined the volunteer fire department and am now much more widely known (and liked I hope?). I'm not religious but that is one more avenue to acceptance. And, since this is the USA, I never talk politics unless it's with neighbors that I know agree with me. You don't want to be a rabble rouser there.<br />AlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-50087386010638045242018-11-25T01:28:54.041-05:002018-11-25T01:28:54.041-05:00Great post. You're getting close to the nitty-...Great post. You're getting close to the nitty-gritty of maximizing options in advance of collapse.<br /><br />One of the strongest barriers to moving to a rural area, particularly to a small farm, is the cost of land. Your suggestion of moving to a small town that has plenty of arable land within walking distance is a good one, especially since housing costs are likely to be lower in a small town than in a big city, which makes the move easier, but jobs with good salaries will be scarce. <br /><br />This means that purchasing a home in a small town should be on a mortgage free basis if at all possible. Being debt free will make it much easier to live on the lower earnings of small town work. Really young people with little asset accumulation will have a tougher time, but a hard working person should be able to find a viable situation if they are very motivated.<br /><br />I think it will be very difficult to enlist local farm owners near small towns in preparing for collapse. Most of them will not want amateur farmers messing with their property until the time comes when manual labor for farm work will be a necessity. This means that any newbie to small town life should make every effort to find interim work that helps develop the skills that farmers can eventually use. Even though industrial agriculture will fade away, participating in that arena in any capacity while it still exists will be a good introduction to the people and lifestyles of a rural area. Some skills will carry over, like water management, familiarity with handling livestock and use of hand tools of all kinds, which are still used in myriad ways even on industrial farms.<br /><br />After the decades of continuous depopulation of rural areas, I think that the folks still living there will be willing to welcome newcomers with open arms, but they will be even more likely to do so if you are:<br /><br />1. Young, fit and although not essential, preferably a member of a young family with children<br />2. Clearly sincere about making a long term commitment<br />3. Willing to participate fully in community affairs<br />4. Patient enough to wait until you really know the players and the issues before spouting off about how things should be really be done (may take several years)<br />5. Seen by everyone as hard working and honest person who can be trusted to keep their word and who never over-promises<br /><br />I live in a rural area that, in addition to commercial farmers and ranchers, has a high number of older retirees who moved to a small acreage in the country for a little peace and quiet and to engage in rural activities as hobbies. Land prices are very high and make it difficult for young people to move into the neighborhood. My wife and I are always delighted to see new young people passing by in their cars as we walk our dogs along country roads in the morning. We know that they are the future of humanity and it's nice to have them around. I think other rural folk are likely to have the same outlook. No one should be afraid to move to the country.<br /><br />Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01251330546889158364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-13410360821058781902018-11-24T22:17:34.159-05:002018-11-24T22:17:34.159-05:00Very good work, Irv. Thanks for subscribing to DGM...Very good work, Irv. Thanks for subscribing to DGM and adding me to your blog roll.<br /><br />Being that I am a bit of a computer luddite, do you have a private message function here... and how do I find it?. I hope to plagiarizer you heavily in a future post.LOL seems overused Category5https://www.blogger.com/profile/11271017279434127118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-43008581369529004442018-11-24T19:47:41.399-05:002018-11-24T19:47:41.399-05:00Mr. Mills, I agree with your evaluation of how col...Mr. Mills, I agree with your evaluation of how collapse will be prolonged and sporadic, hitting certain areas and not others. Debt to GDP ratio of the US is at 106%, when 90% is considered the "danger zone". The US has been printing money, but this is not a solution and eventually inflation will rise drastically. I'm retired now, but worked as a nurse when the hurricane hit Puerto Rico. At my hospital in Eastern Ontario tubing supplies were short along with specific drugs that are manufactured there. Pure vanilla extract has also become really expensive though I believe that countries that grow it (Mexico, Guatemala, and Madagascar) experienced a work issue and not a climate issue. We see "little" examples of collapse and few can connect the dots (or want to connect the dots). I live in a rural area, and have no plans to move. I quietly try to plan for what I see to be our future, but I can tell you, not many people want to listen to me talk about collapse, and so I don't. And to quote John Michael Greer: I try to "collapse now and avoid the rush".Gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15896561549098800689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-26188295097557778722018-11-22T16:20:32.593-05:002018-11-22T16:20:32.593-05:00Hi Irv,
some nice analysis there. How do you feel...Hi Irv,<br /><br />some nice analysis there. How do you feel about the issue of keeping spent nuclear fuel rod ponds going when power grids fail. Without electricity or diesel the majority will evaporate and then catch fire releasing lethal doses of radioactive particles into the atmosphere. Moving the rods to dry storage will be highly difficult without specialised equipment.<br /><br />This is a primary concern since there are over 4000 ponds worldwide and a fire in just one would release 10000's more radiation than Chernobyl.<br /><br />nikoBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-76852260400349129992018-11-22T11:14:05.431-05:002018-11-22T11:14:05.431-05:00@ Don Hayward
So far, the second week of December ...@ Don Hayward<br />So far, the second week of December look good for me, weather permitting. When you are ready, pick a date.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-67708689315234603212018-11-21T21:56:55.709-05:002018-11-21T21:56:55.709-05:00Let me try for the second week of December, weathe...Let me try for the second week of December, weather permitting, I'll drive up. I will try to explore the migrant convoy and refugee issues looking for some more insight. I think the die-off and internal migration issues are important, but people tend to stay put as long as they can, even in the face of storm and volcano warnings. It's a wild night out there now.Don Haywardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10229684724312837788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-581201299537125902018-11-21T20:24:21.029-05:002018-11-21T20:24:21.029-05:00@ Don Hayward
And thank you Don, for the many idea...@ Don Hayward<br />And thank you Don, for the many ideas in your comments. You'll see some of them cropping up in future posts.<br />We should try to get together early in December. Are you game for a trip to Kincardine? If not, I think I still owe you at least one trip to Goderich.Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-59246932260692091212018-11-21T19:39:26.127-05:002018-11-21T19:39:26.127-05:00Last thoughts for now.
The caravan that is slowly ...Last thoughts for now.<br />The caravan that is slowly progressing from Central America to the Usayan border can teach us some things about what migration in response to what collapse might and might not be like.<br />Let’s pick Honduras as the starting point. The internal chaos and gang warfare resembles the condition in Toronto I describe as developing during about three months of the accelerated collapse event. There is a self-serving central government that wants to dominate, while the gangs lash out at each other with old fashioned ideas of turf before gradually being absorbed into a more cohesive entity that challenges the government. Perhaps Honduras has not yet reached that stage and I intend to research it more; however, at this point I’m more interested in those who decided to flee.<br />One of the first characteristics is that they endured for a long time before making the decision to leave. The horrors of the road and uncertainty of the end gradually became less than the horrors they were living. In my story, I show that this takes about three years to develop into a serious exodus and by then many are already dead or too weak to go or have been absorbed into various fighting groups. I expect, when I read more of the country’s history I will discover that they went through the phase of peasants fleeing to the towns as the rural economy was shattered by various economic and political forces and this without any impact of a climactic disaster. That scenario has played out in so many third world neo-colonies that it would not be surprising. In Ontario, I depict this as an early and good thing for overpopulated bedroom places like Dufferin county, but others, like Huron county will see less of it as it is not so full of commuters who came from and focus on a city.<br />A second characteristic of these caravans is that they get some physical support along the way ranging from food, clothing and limited transportation. In my fictional scenario, and in the reality of a more general contraction, this help will likely not exist, and they might have to fight their way along the road. As you have described, we will see your weak, hungry people mostly failing to survive the trip,.<br />Lastly, while in my story Huron Territory needs and welcomes good people, the more likely response, especially early in a crisis will be closer to the Usayan rejection of “the other”, and it may have similar racist elements to it. Not all local entities will be progressive, and I fear for the amount of bigotry that exists, especially in rural Ontario. How this divisiveness plays out is uncertain. Being part of a repressive, bigoted closed community is not attractive and likely such places are doomed to failure anyway.<br />This leads me to consider that the one big loss due to central failure will be the rule of law. Vigilantism will become tempting and likely common is closed, repressive communities and some will be very dangerous. This is a common theme in much apocalyptic fiction, but it will exist in places, at least in the short term until these communities eat themselves.<br />Thanks for the great and stimulating work, Irv. Maybe the weather will let us visit again soon.<br />Don Haywardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10229684724312837788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-37963196405477863452018-11-21T19:23:29.644-05:002018-11-21T19:23:29.644-05:00Thank you for the mention, Irv. I learn lots from ...Thank you for the mention, Irv. I learn lots from you. I’m hoping, in February to split After the Last Day into a trilogy that will be easier to read, but only available directly from me.<br />I acknowledge your right to change your mind on things, and one of the things I keep saying is that the survivors, no matter how much prepping they may have done will have to be fast on their feet because conditions will not be as expected. I have changed my views a bit since I wrote the first novel and think it will actually be much worse in southern Ontario.<br />While in fiction, the writer must compress time-lines somewhat to make the actual book shorter, I still believe that the hope in a short-term optimistic future for survivors lies in a rapid collapse of both central authority and population. While I depict the debt structure disappearing for consumers immediately and for business over a couple of months, but the longer more repressive central authorities can retain power, the worse it will be for attempts at localisation. Of course, any scenario will be horrible. The speed of an actual collapse is unpredictable, but I do not see the world reverting to primitivism in the next couple of centuries nor even to the crudeness of early pioneering times in the colonies; however, the main source of resources will be salvage and many factors will determine how quickly that is depleted. My novel spanned about 60 years and the process had not yet ended. I show it more advanced 100 years later in my follow-up story, The Seventh Path. In all, I agree with your thoughts on the unevenness of the process, but perhaps I think it will be faster than you see as we are already in the slow decline and at some point the dam may burst. I also think that interconnectivity is greater than you see, and this might spread financial collapse much more quickly and evenly than might be expected and overwhelm central authority. When we see the huge response of outside resources required for even limited disasters like hurricanes, fires and earthquakes, we can imagine these not being made available or being needed on their home ground. Whether the actual collapse to only local organisation takes one, three, five or more years is impossible to predict. I show it persisting for some time and incorporate your view that workers will not just down tools, especially if they benefit from their own work (sewer and water) or governments maintain enough ability to keep the electric grid maintained. We saw some of this in the Soviet collapse.<br />I am more pessimistic than I was five years ago, mainly due to what I now think is the likelihood of a near-term climactic crisis in food. The resources for local self-sufficiency in food may not be as great as we expect. That will impact even strong, well-organised local communities. We both agree, strong local communities are the key to survival and joining one now is the best option. I will post more in following comments.<br />Don Haywardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10229684724312837788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-38758823903389572662018-11-21T18:26:02.882-05:002018-11-21T18:26:02.882-05:00Thanks, Bernie!Thanks, Bernie!Irv Millshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030800457536589003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848841213670110129.post-47961718736864904492018-11-21T17:01:13.984-05:002018-11-21T17:01:13.984-05:00Brilliant analysis and predictions Irv! I ‘m trul...Brilliant analysis and predictions Irv! I ‘m truly impressed with the comprehensiveness you’ve tackled. Thanks. Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07642365895075903244noreply@blogger.com